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that is up to the government and the choices the government makes for the first weeks or month or two at least. for instance, the irs, the internal revenue service can decide what to do about how they treat the tax increase. the agency could delay increasing the amount it withholds from your paycheck each week assuming congress would reach a deal. that way you wouldn't notice the tax increase before it turned around. if it didn't get reversed, you're going to get quite a bill from the taxman. also if we go over the cliff, and the spending cuts begin to take hold, the various agencies of the federal government can consider putting employees on furlough. meaning they take unpaid days off. that's considered a better alternative than layoffs, if we don't get a deal quickly, the furloughs will have to become layoffs, that will mean real pain. >>> the great question is how quickly that pain will begin. would it hurt the real economy before we get a deal? or would the prospect of pain create such pressure, would congress change course before we feel it. the strategy of the folks who want to
that is up to the government and the choices the government makes for the first weeks or month or two at least. for instance, the irs, the internal revenue service can decide what to do about how they treat the tax increase. the agency could delay increasing the amount it withholds from your paycheck each week assuming congress would reach a deal. that way you wouldn't notice the tax increase before it turned around. if it didn't get reversed, you're going to get quite a bill from the taxman....
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let's make the government do what american citizens have to do when things get bad. we have to tighten our belts. why doesn't the government have to do the same thing? that would be the first thing to do. i'm willing to bet we could get enough cuts in there that we could get us down to a balanced budget within a fairly short time. >>> judson phillips, great to have you on this morning, sir. thanks for your time. >> thomas, as always, thank you. >>>. mayor of marlboro new jersey coming uncriticism. the mayor will join mess next in studio. our big question -- should teachers be allowed to carry concealed weapons? [ male announcer ] this is sheldon, whose long dy setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. back to the news. i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, yo
let's make the government do what american citizens have to do when things get bad. we have to tighten our belts. why doesn't the government have to do the same thing? that would be the first thing to do. i'm willing to bet we could get enough cuts in there that we could get us down to a balanced budget within a fairly short time. >>> judson phillips, great to have you on this morning, sir. thanks for your time. >> thomas, as always, thank you. >>>. mayor of marlboro new...
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to try to govern, i'm not driven by some ideological agenda. i'm a pretty practical guy. and i just want to make sure that things work. and one of the nice things about never having another election again, i will never campaign again, is you know, i think you can rest assured that all i care about is making sure that i leave behind an america that is stronger, more prosperous, you know, more stable, more secure than it was when i came into office. and that's going to continue to drive me. and i think that the issue that we're dealing with right now in the fiscal cliff is a prime example of it. what i'm arguing for are maintaining tax cuts for 98% of americans. i don't think anybody would consider that some liberal left-wing agenda. that used to be considered a pretty mainstream republican agenda. and it's something that we can accomplish today, if we simply allow for a vote in the senate and in the house to get it done. the fact that it's not happening is an indication of you know, how far certain factions inside the republican party have gone
to try to govern, i'm not driven by some ideological agenda. i'm a pretty practical guy. and i just want to make sure that things work. and one of the nice things about never having another election again, i will never campaign again, is you know, i think you can rest assured that all i care about is making sure that i leave behind an america that is stronger, more prosperous, you know, more stable, more secure than it was when i came into office. and that's going to continue to drive me. and i...
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you saw his government and the federal government coming together to solve people's problems. >> they had the fleece on. the sleeves were rolled up. >> i have to tell you, i love politics. >> you do? >> i'm breaking this story here. certain things thought when people rise to the occasion, they did the right thing. and i love bill clinton coming to save his old rival. and he did. anyway, thank you, michael steele. up next, from etch-a-sketch to legitimate rape to 47%. the most notable political quotes of the year. which quote tops it? that's ahead. and this is "hardball" the place for politics. >>> we're wac. 2012 is coming to a close. let's look back at a few of the most memorable quotations. everything from the historic, to the infamous to the absurd. for the 7th year, fred shapiro has released his list of the top ten quotes. which ones will stand the test of time? you be the judge. joining me right now is a columnist for bloomburg review. gentlemen, get in your starting gates. here's the number one, actually, the number seven quote of the year, it happened in march while the republi
you saw his government and the federal government coming together to solve people's problems. >> they had the fleece on. the sleeves were rolled up. >> i have to tell you, i love politics. >> you do? >> i'm breaking this story here. certain things thought when people rise to the occasion, they did the right thing. and i love bill clinton coming to save his old rival. and he did. anyway, thank you, michael steele. up next, from etch-a-sketch to legitimate rape to 47%. the...
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government and economy and they're going to be sitting with their guns ready to fend off any visitors. well, you know, that concerns me a little bit because they're not religious nuts. they are actually rational people with a bad idea. >> michael, that's actually a great point. the difference between the secular and religious doomsday folks. is there anything you could say to the secular types who are sitting with their piles of gold and everything waiting for the country to erode. is there anything logically, rationally to persuade people maybe this isn't the best approach? >> well, i do. these people write me and i write them back. i say look, the country's almost 250 years old. and nothing's happened like that. even remotely like that. that happens in some third world countries where they have revolutions, but we've had all these presidential elections and not once has the incumbent president had to be forced out by gun point. where that does happen in other countries. the chances of that happening here is very low. our economy has gone through major cataclysms and still people don
government and economy and they're going to be sitting with their guns ready to fend off any visitors. well, you know, that concerns me a little bit because they're not religious nuts. they are actually rational people with a bad idea. >> michael, that's actually a great point. the difference between the secular and religious doomsday folks. is there anything you could say to the secular types who are sitting with their piles of gold and everything waiting for the country to erode. is...
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that's what government does. but when you get inflexible people that seem to not understand the pain of the ordinary american, how do you break this gridlock? >> well, it's very hard. and the point you made, rev, is a very good one. the president did move with entitlements and it did anger a cig n significant portion of his base. but the president agrees that you can't set this nation's economy on a healthy path that cease going to take care of our deficit and make it a managinin bart of gdp. he knows we can't asked the republicans to raise it 1.2, 1.3 trillion in revenue. he's reached out and made cig nif kant concessions and the response to that was nothing. it is pathetic. >> jaret, let me ask you, if we go over the cliff, what ps? is there not an immediate impact on people with unemployment insurance and other things? i mean, what happens if we go over this cliff? >> well, you really have to distinguish between going over the cliff and quickly reversing the damage, meaning in a matter of weeks, which is still
that's what government does. but when you get inflexible people that seem to not understand the pain of the ordinary american, how do you break this gridlock? >> well, it's very hard. and the point you made, rev, is a very good one. the president did move with entitlements and it did anger a cig n significant portion of his base. but the president agrees that you can't set this nation's economy on a healthy path that cease going to take care of our deficit and make it a managinin bart of...
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because if the taxes are raised the republicans want to be able to argue that they were able to cut government spending. so while this is an important part, there are many chapters that are going to be happening over the next 24 hours, and we will see if they can get it done. the goal to have something ready to look at by sunday. >> thank you, kelly. my eyes did not glaze over, honestly. this has been a rough couple of weeks for john boehner and hard to believe he is the first casualty of the war. as kelly just said, boehner put forward the plan b only to withdraw it when he could not rustle up enough republican votes, and since then he is more of an observer than a player in the crisis. joining me is rob acosta, and "republic's" john stein. as we just heard from kelly o'donnell, they will be faced with needing democrats to get this deal through if we do indeed have a deal, and then he has to go back to the caucus and say, re-elect me as speaker. how does he do that? >> well, these are two separate questions, richard. on the first point, boehner has a tough time corralling some of the republic
because if the taxes are raised the republicans want to be able to argue that they were able to cut government spending. so while this is an important part, there are many chapters that are going to be happening over the next 24 hours, and we will see if they can get it done. the goal to have something ready to look at by sunday. >> thank you, kelly. my eyes did not glaze over, honestly. this has been a rough couple of weeks for john boehner and hard to believe he is the first casualty of...
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if you transfer $10,000 of your money, it triggers your bank that goes to the federal government. but you can go online and with free holiday shipping purchase a high capacity magazine. even the law enforcement in the communities have no way of know ing a large number of weapons, perhaps a bullet proof vest. that might send off a few alarms. making it harder to exercise the right to vote. we should think that people are more responsible owning a gun than casting a ballot. that is part of what is being revealed. >> i want to go to one other finding in this study about this. it is about the notion of people need guns for protection. >> there is no evidence that a gun in the home reduces the likelihood of severity during a break in. it is actually going to be usable in a way that will protect you. >> to the contrary. those same studies have shown, they are are more likely to go through if there is a gun in the house. what is more likely to happen is you are going to get shot. what happened is, they didn't kill the shooter. the shooter killed themselves. they were in able to get to it
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a lot of them want to govern. i think things can happen quickly in january. >> there is a lot of talk with the gop looking ahead to the debt limit when there will be anything substantial don entitlement reform and things of that nature. and how worries are you that we could see a repeat of the possible down great of the u.s. createit rating? >> i'm concerned about it. we reached the debt limit, but tricks we can play to keep the government operating. that looks like no more than 60 days. it's an arbitrary and useless statute. denmark i think is the only other country that has something like that. this would be gamesmanship of the most dangerous kind. i hope nobody is going to play that game. i know the president said he is not going to play that game. if the republicans think they use that as leverage, they do that at their own risk. >> congressman, good luck to the cardinals. take care. >> thank you, luke. >> we are keeping our eye on how the stalemate is playing on wall street and president george hw bush is now
a lot of them want to govern. i think things can happen quickly in january. >> there is a lot of talk with the gop looking ahead to the debt limit when there will be anything substantial don entitlement reform and things of that nature. and how worries are you that we could see a repeat of the possible down great of the u.s. createit rating? >> i'm concerned about it. we reached the debt limit, but tricks we can play to keep the government operating. that looks like no more than 60...
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we can come back and fight the president over continuing funding for the government. we can come back and fight the president over any delayed cuts to the sequester that are temporary from this. republicans see that anything above 250,000 they get is essentially a victory for them, and they're more than happy to have these same type of cliff fights in 60 to 90 days. >> right. >> coming back for it. >> right. >> to the point that you just made, luke, is there a feeling -- because you do see a lot of irritation on the face of harry reid, and he is not a guy who shows a lot of emotion, but you do see some irritation there. is part of this by harry reid as well as liberal democrats that the white house essentially went around reid and got biden in there to make what they feel is a bad deal? >> well, i think there's probably -- i don't know if that's being for harry reid so much. i definitely know that is the opinion of some liberals in the house, but i've spoke to a member today who is pretty middle of the road centrist democrat, and he told me that he did not like the fa
we can come back and fight the president over continuing funding for the government. we can come back and fight the president over any delayed cuts to the sequester that are temporary from this. republicans see that anything above 250,000 they get is essentially a victory for them, and they're more than happy to have these same type of cliff fights in 60 to 90 days. >> right. >> coming back for it. >> right. >> to the point that you just made, luke, is there a feeling --...
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they can't vote for what they campaigned against, spending money on government. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "politics nation" with al sharpton starts right now. >> tonight, in new york city, welcome to "politics nation" second annual revvie awards. it's the best and the worst in politics, 2012. look, all the big stars are on the red carpet. donald trump is in the unreality show category. paul ryan's pumped and ready to go. what's with the hat there? >> and what's an awards show without this guy. he survived a really rough year and he's looking just great tonight. the evening is about to get started. so take a seat before clint eastwood yells at it. sit back and enjoy the show. without further adieu, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome your master of ceremonies and the host of "politics nation," the reverend al sharpton. >> good evening. and welcome to "the revvie awards." i'm al sharpton and the host of this evening's festivities. it's a big night and we'll be giving out awards for the high and low points of politics in 2012. to do t
they can't vote for what they campaigned against, spending money on government. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "politics nation" with al sharpton starts right now. >> tonight, in new york city, welcome to "politics nation" second annual revvie awards. it's the best and the worst in politics, 2012. look, all the big stars are on the red carpet. donald trump is in the unreality show category. paul ryan's pumped and ready to go. what's...
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activists in syria say government war planes attacked a bakery in a rebel held town killing more than 60 people, some of them children. it appears to be one of the deadliest aerial attacks in that country's nearly two-year long civil war. >>> u.s. senator michael crapo says he is deeply sorry for being arrested and charged with dui sunday. >>> in honolulu, president obama and first lady michelle obama attended a memorial service for senator inoyue. >>> comments from mitt romney's oldest son that has gotten people talking. it has been seven weeks since the election and there has been a steady stream of details coming from both campaigns. now comes the revolution from tagg romney that his father had no desire to run for president again, at least at first. we have more on that story from boston. >> i have just called president obama to congratulate him on his victory. >> reporter: as mitt romney, members of his campaign staff and top gop leaders continue assessing how he lost the election to a vulnerable incumbent president, the oldest son of the former massachusetts governor is raising
activists in syria say government war planes attacked a bakery in a rebel held town killing more than 60 people, some of them children. it appears to be one of the deadliest aerial attacks in that country's nearly two-year long civil war. >>> u.s. senator michael crapo says he is deeply sorry for being arrested and charged with dui sunday. >>> in honolulu, president obama and first lady michelle obama attended a memorial service for senator inoyue. >>> comments from...
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this right here, it's a story of some government and politics and small town life. mr. fricke, the leading write-in vote getter told "the new york times" that politics has lost his luster, even in small towns. oh, gee, i wonder why. thank you, washington. but it's also a story, an interesting story about unemployment. you have a job available, one that only pays a hundred bucks a month, and nobody wants it. and that in this economy is very, very rare. a job nobody will take. for most available jobs, there are lines out the door of qualified applicants. and that is the most important fact about not just the economy, but about what is happening in washington right now, as we speak. the biggest deal, the biggest problem with a deal that has not been struck in congress is coming up next. >>> i want to get out of washington here for a minute. ti i want to show you the blaring headline today over the "tennessean" newspaper, the big newspaper in nashville, tennessee. 30,000 tennesseans will lose unemployment benefits with that fiscal cliff deal. 30,000. here is a headline at k
this right here, it's a story of some government and politics and small town life. mr. fricke, the leading write-in vote getter told "the new york times" that politics has lost his luster, even in small towns. oh, gee, i wonder why. thank you, washington. but it's also a story, an interesting story about unemployment. you have a job available, one that only pays a hundred bucks a month, and nobody wants it. and that in this economy is very, very rare. a job nobody will take. for most...
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government. he finds like-minded thinkers on the gun show circuit. during the early 1990s, they expos become gathering places for the fast-growing militia and patriot movements. it is in this subculture that mcveigh finally finds an outlet for his growing rage. >> i mean, you could find an amazing amount of literature on insurgency, on forming militias, on building weapons. they're amazingly antigovernment. >> one of my favorite bumper stickers, you've heard the one that says "when guns are outlaws, only outlaws will have guns." there's a new one -- when guns are outlawed, i will become an outlaw. it was at that point when i was fully intent on my life that i was going to live outside the law. >> he started to believe our government was going to come into people's homes and take their guns away. and this scared the hell out of tim mcveigh. >> that same mentality is what you say from gun show to gun show to gun show. get your weapons now, stockpile them now. >> for tim mcveigh, this must seem like the next war that's about to be waged. >> tonight at l
government. he finds like-minded thinkers on the gun show circuit. during the early 1990s, they expos become gathering places for the fast-growing militia and patriot movements. it is in this subculture that mcveigh finally finds an outlet for his growing rage. >> i mean, you could find an amazing amount of literature on insurgency, on forming militias, on building weapons. they're amazingly antigovernment. >> one of my favorite bumper stickers, you've heard the one that says...
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. >> they are important when you have a system of government in the house where you have to pass things. the majority itself. the majority of the majority. that was pretty much in effect when democrats controlled for 40 years as well. there were rare occasions. president clinton massed nafta, the free trade agreement in 1993. the majority of republican votes for it and democrats against it. it's only 20 votes, but that is the difference between boehner getting what he wants and not. if he loses, he can only lose fewer than that in january. he needs a bill that commands a lot of democratic support. >> people say it will be one of the most powerful people. it will be more powerful because she has the upper hand and she knows it. she will have to deal with it at least 75 to 100 votes. >> and again the marks sustain this idea of okay, this new more moderate congress coming in and these voices will be put down to a degree or will we see dire financial implications off the bat? >> the lesser because even if they managed to harsh out the small deal that president obama is putting forward, this
. >> they are important when you have a system of government in the house where you have to pass things. the majority itself. the majority of the majority. that was pretty much in effect when democrats controlled for 40 years as well. there were rare occasions. president clinton massed nafta, the free trade agreement in 1993. the majority of republican votes for it and democrats against it. it's only 20 votes, but that is the difference between boehner getting what he wants and not. if he...
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>> it's odd because grover was the one sort of outside government institution on the conservative side who agreed with speaker boehner's plan "b" which would have allowed taxes to go up above $1 million in income. all the other conservative groups say no. i think grover's pledge, i don't know where it goes from here. obviously is doesn't have as much teeth as is it did because there are people who are willing to buck it. >> i think the key thing with the grover pledge though is that republicans feel like they're in such a corner here, the house is in disarray, boehner doesn't really know where his caucus is going to go. they're not really worried about grover's pledge. they're more worried about rebuilding the party and surviving this horrible moment when they barely control one chamber. >> okay. so i want to run this by you. charles krauthammer from "the washington post" has suggested this kind of complicated theory that the president has a bigger plan here. wonder if we can play this tape of what he says the president's strategy is. >> he's been using this, and i must say with great
>> it's odd because grover was the one sort of outside government institution on the conservative side who agreed with speaker boehner's plan "b" which would have allowed taxes to go up above $1 million in income. all the other conservative groups say no. i think grover's pledge, i don't know where it goes from here. obviously is doesn't have as much teeth as is it did because there are people who are willing to buck it. >> i think the key thing with the grover pledge...
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that was during the government shutdown. this is really a rare occurrence for members of congress to have to come back and work out legislation that they went able to get done before the christmas holiday. >> the president is supposed to stay there for how long? >> well, of course, the white house not really giving us specifics about the president's travel plans at this point in time. the reality is i think the president is himself trying to figure out what he is going to do, but we do expect that he will cut his vacation short. you've heard the president himself during his press conference on friday say i will be seeing you all next week. i think that it is very likely that we will see president obama back in d.c. later on this week and also taking part in those negotiations. >> last but not least, do you have on flip-flops? >> no, not yet. >> i'm looking at wi kiki behind you, and i'm jealous. i have to say i think anybody that's seeing this all right now, we are all jealous. >> it is beautiful here. it's a great assignmen
that was during the government shutdown. this is really a rare occurrence for members of congress to have to come back and work out legislation that they went able to get done before the christmas holiday. >> the president is supposed to stay there for how long? >> well, of course, the white house not really giving us specifics about the president's travel plans at this point in time. the reality is i think the president is himself trying to figure out what he is going to do, but we...
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the honest debate is that conservative people on the right want less government and destroy government to take what people get out of it. a way to end it. so we are not, and the left is not talking anymore about what the real issues are are, and we talked about in the break about social security, and they are going to gut social skuecurity. i'm okay. i'm old [ laughter ] but y'all are going to be in trouble when it comes to social security and your generations will be in trouble when it comes to social security, because they are going to take it back and gut it so people won't get their do. and we talked about, melissa, if they raised the cap and people who made up to $a 500,000 or more a year had to pay social security, there would be no social security problem for 75 years f. we had not raided the trust fund to begin with, there would not be a problem. we are not talking about the real stuff. >> so when we go over the cliff, whicht looks like we will do, we are talking about 2 million people losing unemployment insurance and immediate cuts to medicare for the poorest americans, and t
the honest debate is that conservative people on the right want less government and destroy government to take what people get out of it. a way to end it. so we are not, and the left is not talking anymore about what the real issues are are, and we talked about in the break about social security, and they are going to gut social skuecurity. i'm okay. i'm old [ laughter ] but y'all are going to be in trouble when it comes to social security and your generations will be in trouble when it comes...
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the whole notion from the right that big government is bad, we have to get rid of big government, that is a popular no notion that gets out of the right wing ghetto. president obama says we need government to come together, invest in innovation, health care, the public accepts that. other times ronald reagan comes along and says government is the problem and people rally behind that. that's a fight. >> it's a pendulum, too. >> on afghanistan, an issue close to my heart, a war going on for more than 11 years, the american public sick of it. 60% say remove all the troops as soon as possible. 35% say stay in there until afghanistan is stabilized. 11 years and 35% of the people say until it's stabilized. it's not going to get done. >> no it's not. it's remarkable that the country is decidedly less pro war than a few years ago. we have had these wars that do nothing for the country. we are illegitimate in one case to have a war in the first place. we don't want to be sending our young people off to a central asian hot spot anymore to spend a decade there, what? building a nation in afghanis
the whole notion from the right that big government is bad, we have to get rid of big government, that is a popular no notion that gets out of the right wing ghetto. president obama says we need government to come together, invest in innovation, health care, the public accepts that. other times ronald reagan comes along and says government is the problem and people rally behind that. that's a fight. >> it's a pendulum, too. >> on afghanistan, an issue close to my heart, a war going...
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significant, possibly devastating budget cuts coming down to certainly state and local governments, not a good thing. and so this seemingly bad game of chicken, you know, this is not some schoolyard game here. this is about people's lives, it's about their livelihoods, it's about the future of cities, it's about programs that need the dollars to provide services that the citizens want and expect is lack of doing your job. and so congress, it seems to me, should be flying, literally, back into session to get things done. the marketplace will not reward this inactivity, but more importantly, the psychological confidence that citizens and the business community should have about the ability of congress and washington to actually get stuff done will, again, be shaken. it was mentioned, jonathan mentioned earlier, you mentioned earlier summer of 2011, a useless debate about whether or not we should raise the debt ceiling, had been done 36 times, but we had to have an inane debate about that. now it's the fiscal cliff. and whether or not across the board cuts should be made to all kinds of se
significant, possibly devastating budget cuts coming down to certainly state and local governments, not a good thing. and so this seemingly bad game of chicken, you know, this is not some schoolyard game here. this is about people's lives, it's about their livelihoods, it's about the future of cities, it's about programs that need the dollars to provide services that the citizens want and expect is lack of doing your job. and so congress, it seems to me, should be flying, literally, back into...
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>>> if you're worried we'll soon be governed by sharia law, have no fear. republicans are keeping us safe from something that was never going to happen anyway. that and other low lights there 2012 in the "sideshow." >>> and finally my hopes for the upcoming year, especially from the president. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> massachusetts congressman ed markey announced today his candidacy for the united states senate seat held by john kerry who president obama has nominated for secretary of state. markey is a friend and respected guest on "hardball" and has been in the house since 1976. he's the dean of the massachusetts delegation, and he has the best values of anybody i know in politics. if he gets the democratic nomination for the senate, he could wind up running against scott brown who won the seat in 2010, then lost it last month. the special election is likely to take place this june. we'll be right back. >>> welcome back to "hardball." when john boehner failed to bring his so-called plan "b" to a vote last week because he didn't have
>>> if you're worried we'll soon be governed by sharia law, have no fear. republicans are keeping us safe from something that was never going to happen anyway. that and other low lights there 2012 in the "sideshow." >>> and finally my hopes for the upcoming year, especially from the president. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> massachusetts congressman ed markey announced today his candidacy for the united states senate seat held by...
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people who believe in government will remember. the people who believe in national defense and social security and medicare will remember. they will know which party is trying to destroy working democracy in order to pursue its political ends. they will know who listens to the voter, who respects the voter, and who thumbs his nose at the voter and that ladies and gentlemen of the tea party right is you. we go over this cliff and you will not have to ask for whom the bell tolls, it willing tolling for you. leading off tonight josh green and chris frats of national journal. you don't have to be as clear as i, but try, gentlemen, tonight. it looks to me like one party, guns again it's asymmetric. both parties are not screwing around, one is. is that true? >> i think both parties want to go over the cliff. >> both want to go over the cliff? who will get blamed. >> i think republicans will get blamed but i think republicans at this point fear casting a career-threatening vote to raise taxes instead of waiting four days and letting the c
people who believe in government will remember. the people who believe in national defense and social security and medicare will remember. they will know which party is trying to destroy working democracy in order to pursue its political ends. they will know who listens to the voter, who respects the voter, and who thumbs his nose at the voter and that ladies and gentlemen of the tea party right is you. we go over this cliff and you will not have to ask for whom the bell tolls, it willing...
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and so there were two government shutdowns. then public opinion shifted strongly against that. the leaders of your caucus and congress decided i'd probably win in '96, and we started working together because the shutdowns were an action-forcing event. this time, after the election, there will be less gridlock. if governor romney were to win, he'd just implement the agenda that he campaigned on. >> right. >> and if the president wins re-election, which is what i think will happen, it no longer makes sense to have your number one goal, defeating him for re-election, because he can't run for anything. and i believe -- and he will no longer have, as his number one goal, drawing distinctions between himself and his party that says they want to beat him. they both will have a dramatically greater incentive to get stuff done. >> will the parties allow that to happen? because you look at what happened in the '90s. and i'll be the first to admit it, that i didn't see some things coming. i would say democrats didn't as well in '93 and '94, i campaigned on the tax increase, and i got elec
and so there were two government shutdowns. then public opinion shifted strongly against that. the leaders of your caucus and congress decided i'd probably win in '96, and we started working together because the shutdowns were an action-forcing event. this time, after the election, there will be less gridlock. if governor romney were to win, he'd just implement the agenda that he campaigned on. >> right. >> and if the president wins re-election, which is what i think will happen, it...
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government that sticks a gun to its head. sorry to use gun metaphors, but basically sticks a gun to its head and says we don't trust ourselves to legislate like normal people. even presidential commissions don't work anymore. what we've got to do is give ourselves artificial deadlines and bring ourselves to the precipice, create all sorts of uncertainty, create manufactured crises because without that pressure, we can no longer be counted on to do anything that remotely redecember bem zesembl thing. >> they're going to say okay, we can't do this all right now. let's set up a process for tax reform that will resolve itself in 2013. let's set up a process for entitlement reform in 2013 and create another trigger, sequestration, kicking the can down the road. but i would say one thing. what's interesting for me here is that republicans, by and large, have won this argument. they are getting a lot of spending cuts. they will get, if they want to accept it, some social security reform in terms of decreased benefits paid. it is def
government that sticks a gun to its head. sorry to use gun metaphors, but basically sticks a gun to its head and says we don't trust ourselves to legislate like normal people. even presidential commissions don't work anymore. what we've got to do is give ourselves artificial deadlines and bring ourselves to the precipice, create all sorts of uncertainty, create manufactured crises because without that pressure, we can no longer be counted on to do anything that remotely redecember bem zesembl...
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when you have divided government and have a chunk of the republican caucus which simply will not align the power that they have with the policy goals that they have. and it's a matter of when they figure that out and when the leadership decides to act upon that knowledge, but we haven't gotten there. >> right, well, when they figure it out is a key question, because days can turn into years in washington. i want to pick up on something you were pointing out the night of the plan b non-vote where you likened the troubles republicans are having now to other pieces in history. you wrote the political parties with losing hands don't change until they've absorbed lots of punishment, see dems 1968 to 1988, a long stretch, gop not done yet. i thought that was such an interesting point you made that night, because for a lot of people watching, it is hard to understand why a combination of tax cuts for most of the country and spending cuts and according to the last offer a type of social security benefit cut is not good enough for a republican party that just got walloped in the election. can y
when you have divided government and have a chunk of the republican caucus which simply will not align the power that they have with the policy goals that they have. and it's a matter of when they figure that out and when the leadership decides to act upon that knowledge, but we haven't gotten there. >> right, well, when they figure it out is a key question, because days can turn into years in washington. i want to pick up on something you were pointing out the night of the plan b...
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. >> i will tell you, it's three agencies of government when i get there that are gone. commerce, education and the, what's the third one there? let's see. >> yeah. it's one thing to be unable to remember the facts. it is something else to make them up. before disappointing in january, minnesota representative michele bachmann treated us to her version of american history. >> the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the united states. men like john quincy adams who would not rest until slavery was extinguished in the country. >> yeah. the gop was running candidates that just made stuff up. congresswoman, the founders were slave owners and john quincy adams, not a founder. yes, it seemingly reached a mass of election ridiculousness in 2011. the fun was just beginning. no sooner had we cracked over the 2012 calendar than rick santorum dropped this race bait into the political waters in january. >> i don't want to make people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money. >> oh, blah -- right? hearing it once was hila
. >> i will tell you, it's three agencies of government when i get there that are gone. commerce, education and the, what's the third one there? let's see. >> yeah. it's one thing to be unable to remember the facts. it is something else to make them up. before disappointing in january, minnesota representative michele bachmann treated us to her version of american history. >> the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the united...